Former 33rd Degree Mason Reveals the Darkest Secrets of Freemasonry
(Sensitive, unaware readers may find this distressing)
Masonic ‘Royal Secret’ - you can live forever by sexually vampirising children
And this is where you get into the really deep stuff, the ideas behind sexual alchemy, how to supposedly live forever, you know, all this creepy stuff. I would go up to these guys that have been in the Scottish Rite forever… older men that were in their 60s, and I'd say, “Okay, I'm now a Sublime Prince of the Royal Secret… so what's the Royal Secret?”
And they go, “I don't know.”
At this time I was like in my late 20s butI eventually learned, after getting into the Rite of Memphis-Misraïm (Egyptian Freemasonry) - and this is something that probably only one in a thousand Masons in America understands - the Royal Secret is that you can live forever by sexually vampirising children. Literally. And that's what these people believe.
… What none of these men understand, I don't think, is that deep down inside there's this very dark, evil energy, which is very sexualised. We document in the book, how many men that have come to us over the years for deliverance, they were in masonry and they began to be drawn into wickedness, into perversion, and even into pedophilia…
… We've talked to dozens of people over the years in ministry who came to us who were sodomised as children… who were literally taken to the Masonic Lodge after hours, laid on that very same altar that the Holy King James Bible laid on, and they were gang raped by a bunch of old men that were all high level masons, until they were practically dead.
Former 33rd-degree Freemason Dr. William (Bill) Schnoebelen, With One Accord Ministries
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Former 33rd Degree Mason Reveals the Darkest Secrets of Freemasonry
Former 33rd-degree Freemason Dr. William (Bill) Schnoebelen reveals the darkest secrets of Freemasonry in this testimony interview and is not afraid to share what he's not supposed to talk about.
Timestamps0:00:00 - Trailer 0:01:17 - Descent into Darkness 0:11:40 - Degrees of Freemasonry 0:29:33 - The Royal Secret 0:41:45 - Freemasonry’s Secret Cousin 0:58:59 - Truth Awakening 1:10:22 - Final Message
Released March 25, 2025 - Runtime: 1 hr 16 mins
Transcript Notes
This was1968 and a priest was like God
Dr. William Schnoebelen: I wanted to be a priest. I went to… Loras College and at the time it was a minor seminary. It isn't anymore. I had a priest in my theology class who had a doctorate in theology and he was teaching a course in Christology… He took me aside, and he said, “If you want to be a priest, in the Catholic Church it's taught, you know, Sacerdos alter Christus, the priest is another Christ….Do you want to be like Christ?”
And I said, “Well, of course. Doesn't every Christian want to be like Christ?”
And he said, “Well, if you want to be like Christ, you need to do what Christ did.” And again, that made sense… Nowadays, we've kind of become suspicious about priests, but this was 1968 and a priest was like God. I mean, whatever the priest said, that was it.
And he said, “Well, if you want to be like Christ, then you need to do what he did. He went to the east and studied with the gurus in India, he went and studied with the lamas in Tibet, he went to Egypt and studied with the magicians there. That's how he was able to… raise the dead, to walk on water, to do all these miracles… What you need to do is you need to start studying the occult.” This is a priest telling me this and so I thought, okay.
Mind you… this is obviously decades before there was an internet. There was a little bookstore downtown and I went there and found a scattering of books on the occult. I found this book that was called Diary of a Witch by Sibyl Leek (1917-1982). She was one of the very first witches to, so to speak, come out of the broom closet. She was a British woman and a medium.
Diary of a Witch was published by Prentice Hall in January 1968
We didn't think we were worshiping the devil
Anyhow, I read the book and she was asserting that witches were not evil, that this was an ancient, pagan, mystery religion. Among other things, she claimed that Jesus was a witch and his 12 apostles were his coven along with their wives. So I kind of bought into that.
And I found out about this guy, Alex Sanders, who was the supposed King of the Witches over in London. I sent him a letter. This is around 1968, 69. And his wife sent me back a thing -a coven in Rockford, Illinois - which is about 90 minutes from Dubuque (Iowa). I went there and got initiated as a witch.
Later on, I hooked up with an Alexandrian coven in Boston, and I was made a witch high priest. I started covens, first of all in Dubuque, and then moved to Milwaukee because there was a fellow there who had an occult bookstore. Milwaukee is a huge city and he said, “I've got all these people that want to become witches. Can you come and teach them?”
Gabriel (Host): What kind of witchcraft are we talking about?
Dr. William Schnoebelen: The kind of publicly available witchcraft was originally started by Gerald Gardner and witchcraft became legal in England. It was a crime until 1951. He claimed - and all of this is disputed - that he came in contact with an ancient coven of witches in the New Forest region of England. They initiated him and then made him a high priest and he went off and initiated other people.
Then there's this other bunch, this Alex Sanders fellow. He also claims to have been initiated by an ancient line of witches by his grandmother. So those were the two main fountainheads of witchcraft in the 60s. Both were from England, but both had spread to America. And it was white witchcraft. Both groups. Their rituals were virtually identical. But the Alexandrian group that I was in, was more into ceremonial magic, which is like… Protestantism. They have the distinction between high church and low church. Alexandrian is more high church witchcraft but we didn't believe in the devil. We didn't think we were worshiping the devil. We thought we were worshiping a goddess, a moon goddess, and a horn god.
So it was like a ditheism, if you will, two deities. And we didn't believe in demons, we just believed that it was all this nature, airy, fairy, gathering herbs in the forest and dancing in the nude… it all sounds very innocent, especially in the Alexsandrian, right There's also some sex magic that's involved. So, does that kind of answer your question?
Gabriel (Host): Yes. Thank you for clarifying. I just wanted to make sure that we got that covered. Let's go back to the occult bookstore that you were talking about.
Dr. William Schnoebelen: So we hooked up with this fellow and in the basement of the store we would hold these classes. They were packed because there were all these people - this was 1972 - kind of like quasi hippies and they wanted to get into the occult magic and blah blah blah.
The other thing that happened at the same time is that we encountered this fellow called Eli who was the Grand Master Druid of North America. And Druids are a little bit different than witches. It's kind of like the difference between being a Baptist and being a Methodist. And we were invited down to Arkansas, which is where this fellow lived, he lived on top of a mountain and had kind of an organic farm there.
And we went through the whole summer, got all this occult training. We were high priests in Druidism by the time we got done. At one point, this fellow that owned the occult bookstore was kind of a manipulative guy who was was older than me, very cunning. He took me aside, and said, “You know, if you really want to understand magic, you need to read this book.” And he handed me the Satanic Bible, by Anton LaVey (1930-1997).
And I said, “Well, why would I want to read the Satanic Bible? Witches don't believe in Satan.”
And he said, “Well, just read the book.”
LaVey's contention was that magic is really about Satan but Satan is like an archetype. He said, there is no real Satan, but it's like an energy, a egregore, an archetype that you can draw upon. And it kind of made sense to me. And again, the devil was gradually pulling me in. Like the whole thing about the camel getting its nose into the tent; before you know it, the camel's in there.
I sold my soul to the devil
So I wrote to the Church of Satan, which at that time was in San Francisco. I became a member, a first degree member. Later on, I went through some exams and studies and I became a warlock, which was a second degree member of the Church of Satan. And also, I should say this because this is critical, this Eli guy, the Grand Druid down in Arkansas, gave us two words of advice.
First of all, he said, if you really want to understand Luciferian energy, you need to join the Freemasonic Order. And he himself was a 33rd degree mason. He showed me his little certificate that he'd got.
He also told me that if we ever felt like we were in deep spiritual trouble, that I should join the Mormon Church. Because it was a church that had been started by witches, for witches, that we could hang out in and pretend to be nice. You know, the image of the Mormon Church, that they're straight, nice, wonderful, all American people with happy families and white picket fences and all of that. But secretly, they believe almost the same doctrines that witches believe… So he gave us that advice, and again, this was in the early 70s.
So I joined the Masonic Lodge, became a Master Mason at the same time as I was a Satanist and a witch… by this time we've initiated over a hundred witches and only our inner circle knew that we were also Satanist… and I finally figured out that there was a deeper level of Satanism. And I got in touch with some of them… there was no internet, we had to do all this by mail and whatnot.
There was a group in Michigan called the Order of the Black Ram, which is like more hardcore Satanic stuff. There was another group in Chicago called The Brotherhood, and I got involved with them because they were closer, because Milwaukee is just up the road, about 90 miles from Chicago.
And I got really - I mean - I sold my soul to the devil. That's how deep I got into this stuff.
Gabriel (Host): Yeah. Before we actually get to that part, I want to make sure to take some time to talk about Freemasonry. Because it's very rare to actually talk to former masons because it's something that you're not supposed to talk about… You said that you became a master mason. Can you explain how the degrees and the lodges are set up in Freemasonry so people actually understand what we're talking about?
Dr. William Schnoebelen: The basic thing is what's called the Blue Lodge and that consists of three degrees: Entered Apprentice, Fellow Craft, and Master Mason. A lot of masons never go any further than that. I did, but basically, it's like an initiatory process. The requirements are… at that time… I think I joined in ‘75, you had to be a man, free born, of good report and well recommended.
So they ask you if you believe in God, and I said, yes, I did, and they didn't ask which God I believed in… I didn't tell them that the God I believed in had horns. So anyhow, there's this whole process. You do a lot of memory work… you memorise all of these ritual things. You have a mentor… who's an older Mason and the guy that I had was a very kind guy, an executive in the power company… and he helped me memorise all this stuff.
At what point does Masonry start to look creepy?
Then you go to second degree and they have a whole bunch of stuff to memorise. And just let me touch on this briefly, because people ask me: “At what point does Masonry start to look creepy?”
There's tons of Christians that are Masons, literally thousands of them and I just ask them, how can you do that? When you start out as a mason, you come to the lodge, they make you take off all your clothes except your undies, they put you in these jammies… they're like pajamas…. typically, one knee is bare and one breast is bare, your left breast, and I think your right knee, and you're blindfolded, and you have a cable around your neck… they call it a cable toe, it's like a velvet blue rope. And you're tied up, and you're led to the door of the lodge, and you've got a guy leading you because of course you're blindfolded, and he knocks on the door - this is all ritualised - and the guy on the other side says, “Who comes here?” and your guy who's guiding you, who's a Lodge officer, he says, “Mr. Bill Schnoebelen, who has been long in darkness and now seeks to be brought to light, to receive the rights and benefits of the worshipful Lodge, erected to God, as all members have done before.”
And I ask, “Mr. Christian, Mr. Pastor, Mr. Elder”… it used to be that 40 percent of the pastors in the Southern Baptist convention were Freemasons, “How can you say that you're in darkness when you have Jesus in your heart?” You see what I'm saying?
And then you go into the Lodge. You're led around - they call it circumambulation. You walk around the lodge, they have these officers, the junior warden, the senior warden at the different… things of the compass. And in the east is the worshipful master, who's like the big cheese. Then you're made to kneel at this altar. Again, you're still blindfolded and you're made to understand that you're putting your hands on this huge, it's like a pulpit Bible… a big King James Bible. And this guy comes forward, this worshipful master. And he says, “We're going to lead you through this oath… it's this long, involved and ultimately blood curdling oath.
At the end, you swear the essence of the oath. You're going to keep the secrets of an entered apprentice Mason, which of course I'm violating right now. And then at the end, you swear that if I should ever reveal the secrets of an Entered Apprentice Mason, that I swear that I will have my throat cut across, my tongue torn out by the roots and buried in the sands of the sea, where the tide ebbs and flows twice in 24 hours, should I ever knowingly violate this, my Entered Apprentice obligation, so help me God and keep me steadfast to the due performance of the saint.
Now, if you were a Christian pastor or whatever, wouldn't that kind of raise the hair on the back of your neck?… And then, at that point, the Worshipful Master says, “My brother, in your current situation, what do you most desire?”
And then the guy that's with you, a senior warden, says, “Light,” whispers it in your ear and I say, “Light.” And then they remove the blindfold. And you see before you, this big, open Bible with a square and compass on it… they represent the three great lights of Masonry. The Bible, the square, and the compass.
And then they are revealed by the three lesser lights of Masonry, which are three burning tapers that are adjacent to the altar. Now that's the most mild initiation. From there on, they get more and more creepy.
Masonry is an antichrist religion
I don't know how deep you want to go into this, but basically, masonry is an anti-Christ thing. It claims it's not religious, but it is. You know, they play around with it because they say, Oh, well, we're just religious, but we're not a religion. Because if they were a religion, then if you were already a Christian, you shouldn't join another religion. Most Christians would say that. If you're a Christian, you wouldn't become a Buddhist.
Masonry is a religion. I mean, it has all the qualities. This is what I tell people. If you look at Webster's Dictionary, there's three things that make something a religion:
Number one, something that has a belief in some sort of deity. Masonry has that.
Number two, it, that belief is expressed in some sort of ritual. And masonry is full of ritual. I mean, that's pretty much all it is.
The third quality is it has a system of some sort of ethics or morality and masonry has that.
So masonry is a religion and it's an antichrist religion. And the problem is… if you drill down into this deep enough and read the books that are written by people like Albert Pike (1809-1891, like Albert Mackey (1807-1881)… or Arthur Edward Waite (1857-1942), these are three prominent scholars of 19th century, early 20th century Masonry. And all of them were occultists.
Arthur Edward Waite wrote a book on black magic and pacts, how to sell your soul to the devil.
And in my book… I document how almost every single leading occult person of the late 19th and early 20th century was a Freemason. They just go together like, you know, love and marriage.
Most Freemasons have no idea about the biggest Freemasonic figures that we we know about today
Gabriel (Host): If people want to go look at these books… what books are you talking about?
Dr. William Schnoebelen: Well, there's Morals and Dogma by Albert Pike. He was like the greatest Masonic scholar in America in the 19th century. He was the sovereign Grand Commander of the Scottish Rite and he's buried in the Scottish Rite Temple, 13 blocks from the White House. So that's one.
The other one is Albert Mackey's Encyclopedia of Freemasonry. There's Arthur Edward Waite, who has a whole bunch of books on masonry. Again, all of these were footnoted in my book.
The other person who really you need to pay attention to in all of this, because he's more contemporary… is Manly P. Hall (1901-1990). He was one of the most notable occultists in America in the 20th century… He was the head of the Philosophical Research Society. He was a very high level ceremonial magician and also a 33rd degree mason. And he wrote this book, Lost Keys of Freemasonry. In that book, among many things, he says that when you become a master mason, you are like a warrior on the block. That's kind of a Masonic code and the seething energies of Lucifer are yours to command.
Gabriel (Host): So these are like the biggest Freemasonic figures that we we know about today and yet most Freemasons have no idea about this.
Dr. William Schnoebelen: Yeah, because they don't read the books. They join the lodge for whatever reason. It might be for business… up until I think the early 90s, lawyers and doctors were not allowed to advertise. They couldn't put like an ad in the telephone book. It was like an ethics thing, so the only way that lawyers and doctors could kind of build up business, was by masonry. They joined the Masonic Lodge, they send referrals to one another, you know, a good old boys network. So, that's why a lot of people joined the Lodge.
Many people joined it because they had an uncle or a father or a brother who was in it. And, honestly, unless you really understand the occult, it's boring. Imagine the most boring church service you've ever been at. Having spent five years in the Mormon church, I can relate to that.
Masons are drawn into wickedness, perversion, and even pedophilia
Guys were sitting there snoring during the Masonic rituals when I was there… because it's like watching paint dry and they go every week. When I was involved in this, I was like the youngest guy in the lodge by 20 years. All these guys were like 50, 60, 70 years old… and basically they were there because they were buddies and afterwards they play poker and eat… sandwiches or something.
But what none of these men understand, I don't think, is that deep down inside there's this very dark, evil energy, which is very sexualised. We document in the book, how many men that have come to us over the years for deliverance, they were in masonry and they began to be drawn into wickedness, into perversion, and even into pedophilia…
It's dark, dangerous stuff because it opens up unholy desires within the men and then because of the way the spiritual world works, that in turn percolates down into their family and it affects the wife who may or may not be involved. There's a women's Order of Masonry called the Order of the Eastern Star, whose symbol is a satanic pentagram, by the way, so it affects your children.
So, many men that were masons, at first it didn't appear a problem. But when their children started hitting puberty, they just started to go, in various ways, nuts, because of this trickle down influence of the Masonic Lodge.
Gabriel (Host): Yeah, I actually interviewed a woman whose dad was a freemason and something very similar to that happened to her. She was never involved in the Eastern Star and as far as I understand, her mom wasn't involved either, but there was an element of the children thing that you talked about, with their family being abused… her sibling. And she, also around puberty, started developing… some weird things. So it does correlate with what you're talking about… I want to go back to the degrees of Freemasonry… so people actually understand what it means to be a 33rd degree Mason, because I think there’s a lot of confusion around it.
What it means to be a 33rd degree Mason
Dr. William Schnoebelen: Well, it's a little complicated… in America, after Blue Lodge, it forks off in two directions. You can either go to the Scottish Rite or the York Rite. The York Rite has 7 degrees. The Scottish Rite has 29 degrees.
When I was made a Master Mason… at that time, believe it or not, I was going to the seminary to become an old Catholic priest, and some of my brother Masons knew that. I was told that the York Rite is the Christian path, so to speak, so why don't you go up that thing first? So I did, and the top of the York Rite is what is called the Knights Templar degree.
In the Scottish Rite, you have these 29 degrees and some of them are really creepy. I mean, seriously creepy… I think it's a 19th degree, where they actually try to call up the devil. And finally at the top, the 32nd degree, which is the Sublime Prince of the Royal Secret, and that's as high as most people go.
If you're some really important person, either in industry, or in politics, or in entertainment, you might be offered to become a 33rd degree Mason, which is the highest degree in American masonry… So that's the structure of it, and there's nuances in the York Rite that are very creepy, but the Scottish Rite is much more creepy… If you're a 10th degree Knights Templar, you can become a 33rd degree Mason, even if you never went through the Scottish Rite.
Most Masons don't even know about the Rite of Memphis-Misraïm
Gabriel (Host): … There's secrets in Freemasonry that a lot of people don't know about and you have to be deemed worthy to be told these secrets. You became a 33rd degree Mason and you eventually join this secret group or secret order or whatever you want to call it. Can you explain what that is?
Dr. William Schnoebelen: Okay. Beyond what we've just been talking about, over in Europe, there's what's called the Rite of Memphis-Misraïm (Egyptian Freemasonry), and that is 360 degrees. Most Masons don't even know about that.
I got up to the… 96th degree and how I did that is, there was a group in Chicago where they were they were involved with that thing, because Chicago was and probably still is, a major nexus of Satanism. Most people don't know that.
So this group brought me into Memphis-Misraïm and ultimately, there was a fellow that flew over all the way from Paris, who was the son of Papus… Now, Papus was a prominent 19th century high level occultist and ceremonial magician, and he wrote a book called the Tarot of the Bohemians, about tarot cards, and he came over and he brought me into the 97th degree.
‘Papus’ aka Gérard Anaclet Vincent Encausse (1865-1916)
The Royal Secret is that you can live forever by sexually vampirising children
And this is where you get into the really deep stuff, the ideas behind sexual alchemy, how to supposedly live forever, you know, all this creepy stuff. Anyway, I would go up to these guys that have been in the Scottish Rite forever… older men that were in their 60s, and I'd say, okay, I'm now a Sublime Prince of the Royal Secret, you know, whang, they did this initiation and I was a Sublime Prince of the Royal Secret, so what's the Royal Secret?
And they go, I don't know. Now whether they were just feigning ignorance, because at this time I was like in my late 20s or… I don't know. But I learned eventually, after getting into the Rite of Memphis-Misraïm, and again, this is something that probably only one in a thousand Masons in America understands, is that the Royal Secret is that you can live forever by sexually vampirising children. Literally. And that's what these people believe.
Now again, the vast majority of Masons have no understanding of any of this. They just think it's this good old boys club that teaches morality, and this is the way with almost all of these groups, whether it's the Mormons or the Masons or the witches or the Vatican, they all have this vast number of reasonably good people, in some cases, very good people under them that are that are sort of feeding them all of this energy.
Dozens of people who came to us were gang-raped as children by a bunch of old men - high level masons
Let me back up. When I was into Satanism, we understood and were taught that Satan draws energy from being worshipped. And when these guys… even if they don't understand it, every time a mason kneels at the altar and swears an oath, the devil gets energy from that. And again, most Masons, if they heard this, they would be scandalized. They'd say, this guy's a nut.
But the funny thing is… and believe me, we've talked to dozens of people over the years in ministry who came to us who were… sodomised as children, who were literally taken to the Masonic Lodge after hours, laid on that very same altar that the Holy King James Bible laid on, and they were gang raped by a bunch of old men that were all high level masons, until they were practically dead.
Gabriel (Host): Yeah, that's pretty much the story that I heard without details because it wasn't an eyewitness account. It was a secondhand witness, but it's similar to what I heard before… I want to go back to something that you said earlier… you talked about selling your soul. Let's get back to that because I definitely don't want to ignore that. Can you explain the circumstances around that?
Dr. William Schnoebelen: Well, again, this group in Chicago and they were entwined with this Memphis-Misraïm Rite, and they were also with… the brotherhood. And I interacted with these people and at a certain point they said, well, if you want to go any further and become a satanic priest, you need to… sell your soul to the devil. And so they took me to this park in Glen Ellyn, Illinois, which is like a suburb of Chicago. I don't know if it's still there or not, but it was a very weird part.. this was broad daylight and they said, don't worry about it… the cops are all devil worshipers.
In the center of the park, there was this area where they had these weird Egyptian statues. There was… literally was an altar, with horns… kind of like the pictures you see of the of the altar in the Temple of Solomon…They brought out this black book and there were all these names in it and a supposed high level Satanist kind of officiated.
I swore an oath to Satan, my allegiance to him, that I would serve him for seven years and he would give me everything I wanted, you know, wine, women, song, power, occult power, whatever. And at the end of those seven years, he could kill me and take me to hell. By that time, I had been told that Satanists believe that hell is like one long orgy of drugs, sex, and rock and roll, so to speak, you know. So I didn't think going to hell was a bad thing at that time.
So I had to sign my name in blood in this black book. And… this sounds funny, but I was supposed to go out and find seven people to sell their souls to the devil under me, so to speak, sort of like multi-level marketing, but for the devil, and I did.
I got seven - and I feel so bad about this… I've contacted as many of these people as I can find to try and talk them out of it and, you know, repent and all that. And still, I didn't have the things I needed. My life was not good. Even though I was supposed to be this high level warlock, satanic priest, blah, blah, blah. I was working at a nothing job… I was a security guard in a warehouse, barely getting by.
I lost all my occult power, and believe me, magical power is real
And then… every year I wrote a check to the Church of Satan. I think it was for 10 dollars to renew my subscription. They had a newsletter, probably still do, called the Cloven Hoof. And when I got the check back from the bank… someone had written on the check, some lady, by the handwriting, I'll be praying for you in Jesus name. And I just scoffed. And the funny thing is, let me just say, I had not had any contact with Christians. Nobody had ever tried to witness to me. Nobody had ever come to our door and try to, give us track to talk about Jesus. Even the Jehovah's Witnesses never came to our door, because they were scared of us. Because people understood… they'd see us out in the backyard in the moonlight in black robes dancing around.
So anyway, I got this check, and I just scoffed at it, and literally, within 24 hours, it was like I was hit with a freight train.
I lost all my occult power, and believe me, magical power is real.
I lost my job. I got as sick as a dog.
And I thought, what the heck?
We had an altar up in the attic. We painted it black and we had a magic circle on the floor. I had a big statue of Pan, you know, the horn God, all kinds of creepy stuff. And I went up there and I knelt and I prayed to Lucifer and I said, “What's going on? I've done everything you've told me. And my life is just increasingly gone… to hell literally.”
And the funny thing is, even when I was praying to Lucifer, Jesus answered my prayer. Because the next day, we got a call from these two teenage Satanist girls from Chicago. They wanted to come up and meet me because they heard I was this great satanic priest. And so they came up on the train. They said, “We had a gift for you.” And I thought, well, I could use a gift right now because I just lost my job, I don't have hardly any money, you know.
And they show up at the door, and they sit adoringly at my feet, and they give me these two comic books from Chick Publications… It's a Christian publishing house, and he made these… 15 or so full color comic books, but they were about Christian themes, and they were intended to be soul winning tools, and in the back of them, there was a thing about… how do you get born again?
This was a sign from Lucifer, so I joined the Mormon Church
The two that these kids gave me - they were probably in their late teens - one was called Spellbound, and one was called Angel of Light… and they are about the dangers of the occult, and about how Lucifer is really the god behind all false religions. And I just looked at them, you know, whatever… and threw them in the door in the closet and forgot about them.
The next day, there's a knock on the door, and we open it up, and it's Mormon missionaries. Never had one come before… two young men. And I remember what this Grand Master Druid said back in 1973. We’re now in 1980 and we joined the Mormon Church because we thought that was where we were supposed to be.
This was a sign from Lucifer. So, I joined the Mormon Church. I tried to be a good Mormon. I stopped doing dope. I stopped having orgies. I was just monogamous. Because we had been led to believe by this Druid guy that the Mormons were white witches, we still did white witchcraft. But we didn't do satanism anymore. We got all of that out of our lives, went through the temple in the Mormon church, did all their secret rituals, which are very Masonic.
Gabriel (Host): What kind of role did you have in the Mormon church?
Dr. William Schnoebelen: Okay, you get baptised and then after a year, if you mind your P's and Q's and pay your tithing and all of that, you're made an elder. And that's what I was. I was an elder. And then later, I was made an elders quorum president. That's like an administrative role right under the bishop. Now understand, in a Mormon church… back in the 80s… the bishop is the head of a local congregation. They call it a ward. And an elders quorum president is right under the bishop and takes care of administrative stuff. And I had gotten a temple recommend, which is like a card that allows you to go to the temple because you're not allowed to go to the temple unless you're worthy.
At that time we went to Salt Lake city cause that's like the Cadillac of Mormon temples…. They took us through the ritual… it's hours long. It's kind of like the the Masonic ritual on steroids. You go downstairs, you get all basically naked. They wash your body and it's done man to man, woman to woman, but they wash your body. They anoint your body with oil. You're given this magical temple garment, which you may or may not have heard of.
And what's interesting, is, just to back one step up, a lot of people don't know, Joseph Smith, who was the founder of the Mormon Church, in 1844, he was made a Master Mason in Nauvoo, Illinois. After he was made a Master Mason, he kind of stole most of the Masonic ritual and created this temple ceremony. The whole thing is just bizarre - I have a video called Mormonism's Temple of Doom, a DVD that you can get that goes into all this in detail.
Anyway, this is where it gets kind of odd, because after this is all over, we were invited to go meet with the president of the Salt Lake Temple, which is kind of a big deal. And he said, “What can I do for you?”
And I said, “Well, we've been told… that we need to talk to an apostle.”
In the Mormon church, there's this hierarchy. There's the Prophet, who's called the President, and then there's the First Presidency, which is two Advisors and the Prophet. Under them are twelve Apostles.
So, he arranged for us to go to the church office building and meet with one of the Twelve Apostles. At that time, it was Elder James Faust. Believe it or not, that was his name, Faust, which is kind of weird. Faust is a very prominent name in the history of the occult.
So we went up into the church office building, and to make a long story short, he said, “Well, what do you want to talk to us about?…
Back then, nobody knew what was going on in the Mormon temples. The stuff had not been made public in any way. A couple years after this. A couple, Chuck and Dolly Sackett, put out a book called What's Going On In There. They were former temple workers and they revealed the whole thing.
I bury you my solemn testimony
… And I said that we saw this ritual where there was this white altar with a satin covering, just like what's in the celestial room of the Mormon temple. And on it was this naked young girl and everybody was around it chanting Hail Lucifer.
And this apostle guy said, “Well I can tell you, our very extraordinary people and I bury you my solemn testimony.” This is a big deal. If you ever talked to a Mormon, if they start saying, I bury you my solemn testimony, - this is like a big deal for them that what you have said is true. “And if you can come to Salt Lake and live here, we will find a place for you in the worship of the temple.”
Gabriel and Dr. William Schnoebelen discuss the similarities between Freemasonry and Mormonism.
If you go to Temple Square you'll see Masonic handshakes, the all seeing eye, the sun, the moon, the stars and there's no crosses on the Mormon temple. There's nothing Christian on the outside of the Mormon temple.
When you get inside the temple… you go through three levels and are taught hand signs and handshakes and things that are all very similar to Masonic stuff.
You are made to swear an oath In the first level - it's been ages since I've gone through all of this - you put your hand to your throat and go like this (slit it with your hand)… the same as you do in an apprentice degree of the Masonic Lodge.
In the third level, you are taught another set of secret handshakes, and then you're
instructed to go up, and they have this veil which they say is like the veil in Solomon's temple. You've got Masonic markings. You have a square and a compass on… your chest, you have another marking on your navel and another Masonic marking on your knee. The same markings are on the veil, but they're stitched, so there are holes and there's a guy on the other side of the veil that you can't see who represents Heavenly Father. He represents God, and you go up to this guy, and you're instructed to put your hand through the veil. This is called the five points of fellowship, and this is right out of masonry and witchcraft. Gardnerian and Alexandrian witchcraft, masonry and Mormonism all have these five points. And the five points of fellowship are foot to foot, knee to knee, hand to back, breast to breast, and mouth to ear.
So you're embracing this unknown guy through this veil, and he whispers to you the secret name of the celestial kingdom. It's health in the navel, marrow in the bones, strength in the loins and in the sinews, power in the priesthood, be upon me and my posterity for all generations of time and all eternity.
That might sound reasonably benign, except for the fact that it's almost word
for word out of the satanic grimoire. It's a satanic incantation. The only difference is that obscene words are used.
When you're done with that, this guy draws you through the veil into what is called the celestial room, the celestial kingdom. Everything is in white. Or light beige, with sofas, like being in a really fancy hotel lobby. People are invited to just sit and absorb the wonderfulness of it.
They believe literally that God, the father who they believe to be a man in a body, invisibly walks around this celestial room. They believe he has hundreds of goddess wives and that he is constantly impregnating these wives who give birth to spirit children who come down, and they believe that every child that is born on earth is first fathered in heaven with Heavenly Father and one of his goddess wives.
Essentially, the details of Mormonism and Freemasonry are different, but the structure is very, very similar, and you can see where Joseph Smith took it from, especially since he was a Freemason, so that's super interesting.
One thing the Mormons get right is that they are very good at taking care of their people. If you saw a neighbor who was in trouble in some way, like they needed their sidewalk shoveled or whatever, you would go do that. And the idea was you were going to go and love bomb this neighbor. And make them want to join the Mormon church.
At this time, Schnoebelen had a job working in a retail store, 40 hours a week.
In addition to that, he had to spend another 40 hours a week working for the Mormon church with no pay. None of the people, except at the very highest levels of the Mormon Church, get any salary. That's an admirable thing, but he was just working himself to death.
Schnoebelen recalls assisting a deacon who wasn’t deemed worthy because he couldn’t stop smoking. There's the big no no's in the Mormon churches - you can't smoke, take any kind of illegal drugs and you can't drink coffee.
He was going to end up being the Mormon Church's only 90 year old deacon because of the merciless quality of Mormonism and the fact that it didn't really have any power to transform his life. Numerous stories like that began to put a crack in Schnoebelen’s belief in Mormonism. He questioned why, as a holy Melchizedek priesthood elder, why laying hands on a guy to be set
free from nicotine, didn't work? Especially when he was doing it every week.
Schnoebelen and his wife moved from Milwaukee to Dubuque and he plugged into the local Mormon church but was no longer an Elders Quorum President. He saw a prophecy seminar advertised and it turned out to be a Protestant service. An evangelist spoke about the Book of Revelation and presented the Gospel in the context of explaining their version of what the Book of Revelation meant, and about how you're saved by grace through faith - the basic Christian gospel.
Transcript Notes cont’d
This verse went through my magic Mormon underwear like a bullet through a sheet of wet tissue paper
Dr. William Schnoebelen: Mormons teach that basically, there's only two choices for the true church, either the Catholics, who claim to have this apostolic succession all the way back to Peter, up to the present day, or else Joseph Smith, who was supposedly given this mandate in the year 1830 by the angel Moroni, and by John the Baptist. They said that all the Protestant churches were split off the Catholic Church, and so therefore they had no authority. So either you gotta be a Catholic or you gotta be a Mormon.
I raised this point with this guy, and he said, “Well, where do you get the idea that you need to be baptised in order to be saved? It says in Act 16:31: Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.” And that was the Bible verse that hit me. I had already read the whole King James Bible, but had never seen that verse. And this verse went through my magic Mormon underwear like a bullet through a sheet of wet tissue paper.
I went home and I was trembling and I prayed and I fasted. Because that's what Mormons are supposed to do. If you run into a spiritual dilemma, it says right in Doctrine and Covenants… Mormons have four scriptures. They have the Bible, the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price.
And I prayed and I fasted, and supposedly if you do that, if what you're thinking of is true, you get a burning in your bosom. And if it's not true, the Holy Spirit will send you a stupor of mind, and you will forget what you're even talking about. I didn't get either one but I did bring to mind the comic books that I had gotten five years earlier, and I went and dug them out because I remembered in the back, was how to be a Christian.
So I got down at the foot of my bed, I knelt, I took off my magic Mormon underwear, because I didn't want any static on the line when I talked to God, and I prayed the prayers in the back of that comic book and I got born again. And that was the beginning of my journey as a true Christian.
I got saved partly through the Assemblies of God, but then I was going to study to be a minister and there were stipulations that if either you or your wife were divorced, and my wife was a divorcee, you can't be a minister. So I went over to the Foursquare Church, which is similar… it's another Charismatic Church. And there, the pastor and his wife did deliverance on me and I set free with a whole legion of demons, I'm sure.
Gabriel (Host): Especially with the things you were involved in, a lot of which we didn't touch on because they're quite graphic and for the sake of time, we can't talk about everything that you've gone through...
We talked about you selling your soul. Now you accepted Jesus. I remember you talking about how the covenant or the deal that you made with the devil was for seven years. So what happened with that?
Dr. William Schnoebelen: Well, thankfully, that was made in… 1979 and I got saved in 1984, and when I got saved, that wiped out that stupid covenant. It took the power of the devil off of me, because I became a child of God. And of course, I renounced that covenant.
I know there's different ways that people do deliverance… one of the things that we encourage people to do, and I was encouraged to do, was I went through and I renounced all of my Masonic Oaths. I renounced all the oaths and covenants I took in the Mormon Church, I renounced the baptismal vows of the Catholic Church, and I renounced that oath that I took to the devil in that park in Glen Ellyn. And nailed it all to the cross.
Gabriel (Host): So, you became a Christian before the seven years had actually passed… I would not be a good interviewer if I didn't ask you - because Freemasonry is kind of a secret thing and you can't talk about it. You already mentioned that you're breaking these rules. How are you able to be so open against Freemasonry as a former Mason? Do you have any repercussions? Did that ever happen to you? Can you explain that?
Dr. William Schnoebelen: Yeah, you could say that. I have had so many attempts on my life. I can't even begin to tell you. But what partially helped me was the fact - and I'll just insert this little tale, since you say you like stories.
I felt this voice in my head saying, my Son, get out of here
When I moved to Dubuque, I wanted to go and reconnect with the Masonic Lodge in Dubuque. And… literally about a week after I got born again, the Masonic Lodge had they call it a High 12 luncheon, which was on Friday noon and everybody was welcome. And I went to this luncheon, it was like a free meal…it's down in the basement of this big lodge thing…
And as I was eating, I could feel this darkness… I've been in masonic lodges hundreds of times, but because now I had the Holy Spirit within me, I could feel something dark and evil and oppressive, just pushing down on me. And I ate the lunch and… I felt this voice in my head saying, my son, get out of here. So I even skipped dessert, which for me was a big deal back then. And I went outside and… into the bright June sunshine and I felt like this, this incredible weight was off me.
So I went home and I was led to go to Ezekiel Chapter 8… it's amazing how this dovetailed with the Masonic Lodge. He says he's digging through the wall and in verse 13 of chapter 8, he said to me, this angel or whatever, Turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations that they do. Meaning, the elders of Israel.
Then he brought me to the gate of the Lord's house, which is toward the north. And behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz. Now, Tammuz is a false, slain, and risen God, who is part of the Masonic Pantheon. Then said unto him, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? Turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see the greater abominations than these. Now this is critical, verse 16: And he brought me to the inner court of the Lord's house, and behold, the door of the temple of the Lord, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the Lord and their faces toward the east, and they worshiped the sun toward the east.
Now, why is that important? Well, Masonic temples are required to face the worshipful master is in the east, and he is a symbol of the sun. And all the devotions in the Masonic Lodge face east. That means, theoretically, they have their back to the Ark of the Covenant. They have their back to the truth.
And there's a thing in Masonic ritual - they have a ritual you go through whenever they open the lodge - every week they open the lodge. And they go around and when they come to the worshipful master, they say: As the sun rises in the east to rule and govern the day, so also rises the worshipful master in the east to rule and govern the lodge. And then the master stands up and he knocks up the lodge, which means he wraps the devil three times.
And the symbolism was so vivid when I saw that scripture because I had been immersed in masonry for nine years. I knew it backwards and forwards and I realised this was an indictment of the Masonic Lodge. And within a week, I sent a letter to the Masonic Lodge and asked to have my name taken off the (membership) rolls…
Messages for Masons, Satanists, Mormons & Witches
Gabriel (Host): Bill, I want to give you this opportunity to give a message… you were a satanist, a freemason and a mormon… if you had a message to give to each one of these people that are listening today, what would it be?
Dr. William Schnoebelen: Well… let me start with witches/satanists. Those people are worshiping power. They think they are trying to become one with nature, but the power they are trying to tap is the power of the devil, and I know a lot of these people, even some satanists will say, we don't believe in the devil except as an archetype, as a symbol.
But they're whistling in the dark. They're making a grave mistake that can cost them their souls because it doesn't matter what you think you believe, the truth with a capital T is out there and Yeshua is the way, the truth and the life, and if you reject him, as most witches and satanists do, then your fate is not good.
It's not that God is this big meany in the sky who's going to send you to hell. It's your decision to ignore Christ or mock Christ, whatever you want to call it. That is a decision that's going to cost you an eternity in a very dark place. And you don't want to do that…
A lot of Masons are Christians, but the problem is… like Elijah said to the Prophets of Baal in 1 Kings 18, how long halt ye between two opinions? If Baal is God, serve him, but if the Lord is God, serve him. The Mason might be the nicest person you might imagine, but he's… knelt at the altar of Baal. He may have one knee on the altar of Christ, and one knee on the altar of Baal, and these two things are going to drift apart.
And in my experience, I've been ministering to Freemasons since 1988, and it's very hard for a Christian Mason to keep his testimony strong. It's very hard because the Masonic lodge will just suck all the spiritual fire off of you.
So you need to get out of it because the devil is after you and even though it might seem good at the time… there's a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof is death. And I'd say almost the same thing to the Mormons. Except the problem is with the Mormons, you're totally worshipping a false god, you're totally worshipping a false Jesus, you're following a plan of salvation which is absolutely false, and you're in a very dark… Mormonism is honestly darker than Masonry, in my humble opinion.
So if you're in the Mormon church, you probably don't feel that evil. But the men at the top of the Mormon church are devil worshippers and that spiritual power is percolating downward into you and into your family because of the way headship and authority works in in the world. So again, you need to get out of the Mormon church. You need to find a good Christian church that really believes in the Bible. Renounce it, renounce your baptism, and if you've been to the temple, renounce your temple vows, and then go and get baptised by a Christian pastor, and you'll be hopefully on your way.
All three of those paths ultimately will end in the same place, even though one seems much darker than the other two. The devil disguises himself as an angel of light, Paul tells us, so that he can deceive us. So that's what I would say. Trust in Yeshua, Jesus Christ. Don't trust in Joseph Smith. Don't trust in the false Christ of Masonry who's called Hiram Abiff and certainly don't trust in Satan.
Gabriel (Host): Thanks for listening to this episode of the Almost False Podcast. Unfortunately, Bill is a very busy man and I only had a couple hours with him, which is woefully insufficient to talk about everything that he's experienced. I'm trying to get him on the show again.
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Dr. Schnoebelen is a former Master Mason, Freemason, Lodge Junior Warden and 32nd degree Scottish Rite member. He has ministered for Christ Messiah since 1986, bringing thousands to Salvation for the glory of Yahuwah - while counseling pastors, teachers and other ministries in Spiritual Warfare and victory for these End Times.
A prophetic teacher, prayer warrior, Scriptural scholar and defender of the faith - he shares highly effective apologetics and experience here - so YOU can pose gentle, non-threatening but deeply probing questions concerning fundamental Lodge activities with men who profess Christ yet owe allegiance to the Worshipful Master of their Lodge!
Many Christians believe Freemasonry is a fine, Christian organization. But as Bill Schnoebelen climbed to Freemasonry's 32nd degree he discovered horrifying facts about this organization that lower level Freemasons never learn. Now a born again Christian, Schnoebelen reveals all while he answers questions like:
... Is Masonry a religion?
... Is a Mason serving two masters?
... Who is Jesus to the lodge?
... Do Masons use dangerous and forbidden oaths?
... What is the Eastern Star?
... What is the Lodge's evil ancestry?
... Who are the children of Baphomet?
... Is there a witchcraft connection with Masonry?
... How can you protect your family?
... Should a Christian be a Mason?
... How do you get out?
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Jesus is the true God. Satan inverted god’s truths to make a religion of his own. Jesus has a hierarchy, Satan has a hierarchy. Jesus bless his children and wants us to take care of them, Satan terrorize his children, and draws power from them. Jesus is truth, Satan is the father of lies.
I got through about 1/2 of this interview on YT, and then turned it off. Something doesn't sit right for me about Bill, when I get that inner feeling I listen to it. I know that the Freemasons are a dark force, and the details of what he speaks of hold credibility. To be honest, I don't know what to make of him?
Jesus is the true God. Satan inverted god’s truths to make a religion of his own. Jesus has a hierarchy, Satan has a hierarchy. Jesus bless his children and wants us to take care of them, Satan terrorize his children, and draws power from them. Jesus is truth, Satan is the father of lies.
I got through about 1/2 of this interview on YT, and then turned it off. Something doesn't sit right for me about Bill, when I get that inner feeling I listen to it. I know that the Freemasons are a dark force, and the details of what he speaks of hold credibility. To be honest, I don't know what to make of him?