Miranda Devine: 'If you don't have a grasp on reality, it's going to be a problem for you.'
'Anti-interesting Syndrome' and infantile anti-competitiveness are strangling the dreary mainstream media to death. Globalists should sack themselves.
The closing conversation between Miranda Devine and Winston Marshall in their recent, compelling podcast, They Made People "DISAPPEAR": Biden ‘Crime’ Family BOMBSHELL Exposé, is worth bottling. It clearly demonstrates why a robust, objective, competitive and above all, vibrant media industry, is vital to the wellbeing of a functional, evolving, free thinking world.
‘I don't know how you can explain the media. It wasn't like that when I went to… American journalism school in Chicago Northwestern. We were just taught the basics, you know, who, what, why, where, when. Just do journalism and you get a great story. And curiosity is the number one attribute - should be, of a journalist.
Somehow, that's been perverted and it's become political. You will ignore a story because it doesn't help your side of politics. You have a side of politics.’
Miranda Devine, Australian Journalist and Author
Released 24 September 2024
The dark underbelly of American politics, where it's okay to break the law as long as you follow the rest of the elite's rules.
‘Anti-interesting’ syndrome is strangling mainstream media
Winston: Eric Weinstein has a theory called anti-interesting. It's not that something's not interesting, it's that it's unbelievably interesting and important, and the only way to keep it down is to actively work to make it not interesting, right? As I said earlier, if it was a Trump, this would be everywhere, all the time; we’d never hear the end of it. But it's not. It's a Biden.
Miranda: It's a rip-roaring story by itself. The lack of curiosity in the media is incredible. Weinstein's theory is very clever.
They Made People "DISAPPEAR": Biden ‘Crime’ Family BOMBSHELL Exposé | The Winston Marshall Show
October 13, 2024 - Run time: 2 hrs 27 mins
Rudolph's Laptop
Winston: So, there's a personal example I have. I wrote a Christmas song called Rudolph's Laptop. It was Christmas 22…and I put it out and it's about Rudolph's laptop ruining Christmas for Santa because it had all this revealing stuff and some drug stuff, a bit of porn. And the music press covering it didn't get the joke at all but that's kind of understandable. They're totally progressive. But they also went on Consequence of Sound… those type of publications…and they say, the laptop is not real… this is a fake song about a fake laptop that's not even real in real life. And so I got a glimpse into… progressive media… they're not even prepared to engage in this.
Interview
On a positive note, Hemmingway said of Dostoyevsky that he was forged in Siberia; as a sword is forged, a writer is forged in injustice…Ariel went through one of the most horrible examples, cancelled for something he didn't even do - but I think despite these things that are happening, there will be great art that emerges from it and I remain hopeful.
Winston Marshall, Fox News
December 2022 – Run time 6 mins
If you don't really have a grasp on reality, it's going to be a problem for you
Winston: Now we know Hunter has felony charges based on where the laptop itself was used, in court, so we know now that it's real but so peculiar, this disinterest. You would think in media, that this is exactly what you want. This is a story that journalists, from your point of view, it's been fantastic, right? Because you haven't had the competition in this…
Miranda: I know. Double-edged sword…
Winston: Yeah, it's a double-edged sword because it's for the state of the world…What do you make of the lack of interest in, not just the media, but half of America in pursuing this? Or am I wrong? I mean, after all, the president has come out in truth and said congratulations.
Miranda: The former president Trump.
Winston: Former president, presidential nominee Trump has said congratulations. Are you finding popularity and support from the other half of America?
Miranda: Oh yes, but that's the polarisation in America and it's driven a lot by the media because… half of America reads the New York Times, watches CNN, MSNBC and they're getting a completely different version of the truth from what the other half, the conservative half, the Trump supporting or even just the Republican half, the Fox News viewing, NE York Post reading, half of the country.
And I would argue, I'm being self-serving, but I think that if you're a conservative at the moment, that you are aware of both sides because you can't help the dominant narrative coming from the establishment media. The New York Times dictates the agenda of newsrooms all over the world. It’s view of America is what is seen in Australia, I presume the UK and the rest of Europe. It's the New York Times view of Trump and so on.
So, I think that conservatives are aware of what is on MSNBC and CNN. They're outraged by what they see as propaganda and lies and also just a complete ignoring of the nefarious activity of Democrats. But Democrats are blind. The viewers and the readers of Democrat aligned media, they only see the propaganda that they're given. They don't really see the world as it is. They don't see America as it is and I think therefore, that they're at a disadvantage ultimately, they have to be.
If you don't really have a grasp on reality, it's going to be a problem for you. I mean, that's how you descend into madness.
Note; The New York Times was established in 1851 by New-York Tribune journalists Henry Jarvis Raymond and George Jones. It has been published by the Ochs-Sulzberger family since 1896 and is currently chaired by Arthur Ochs Sulzberger Jr., who is also the paper's publisher.
Journalism has become perverted and political
Miranda: I don't know how you can explain the media. It wasn't like that when I went to… American journalism school in Chicago Northwestern. We were just taught the basics, you know, who, what, why, where, when. Just do journalism and you get a great story. And curiosity is the number one attribute - should be of a journalist - and somehow that's been perverted and it's become political. You will ignore a story because it doesn't help your side of politics. You have a side of politics.
That's what happened, I think, with our story and to be fair to the media, in October of 2020, it's 3 weeks before the election, it's a dangerous story, it's very damaging to Joe Biden. It's got hairs on it because Rudy Giuliani is the source and by that stage, he'd been thoroughly discredited. Donald Trump had been demonised and discredited.
Winston: And there had been that case with Hillary Clinton four years before… just before the election.
Miranda: There was… an email hack to do with Wikileaks.
Winston: So there was a sense that they didn't want to be the ones who were responsible for Trump winning again.
Miranda: That’s right and Hillary Clinton blames the then FBI director James Comey for coming out and announcing an investigation again into her emails just before the election, on her losing, so it may have shifted the dial, in fact. So yeah so there was that.
But also, there was the case that there was a very clever operation that was conducted by the FBI, the CIA and the Biden campaign in concert. So, you know about the Twitter files… the Twitter files are part of the jigsaw puzzle. The laptop's part of the jigsaw puzzle, the whistleblowers are another part. The investigations by Republicans in the house is another part. You put it all together and you see a pretty strong pattern emerge of pre-bunking our story before it even saw the light of day.
The FBI was meeting with big tech, you know, Twitter and Facebook basically, weekly, before the election. We know from Yoel Roth who was Twitter's chief censor and Zuckerberg's kind of come out, he hasn't quite said it in so many words but recently, he's sort of apologised for Facebook's role in censoring our story. But Yoel Roth, Twitter's chief censor, in a sworn statement in a separate case, has said that in one of these FBI meetings that he was told to expect a hack and dump operation, hack and leak operation from Russia, likely in October, likely involving Hunter Biden.
Winston: Is this the Aspen Institute? (Rothschilds)
Miranda: No, that was separate. The Aspen Institute is another op.
Winston: It was another op, a pre-bunking op which I learned from you from the book, which is that they basically played out a whole scenario.
Miranda: Incredible.
Winston: Where there would be some sort of laptop leak.
Miranda: Yeah and Michael Shellenberger discovered that through the Twitter files. So, there was pre-bunking going on all over the place. The Aspen Institute tabletop exercise - they invited top reporters from The New York Times, national security reporters and Washington post etc. to come and do this tabletop exercise that involved Hunter Biden. This was six weeks before the 2020 election, before our story came out. Hunter Biden, Burisma. It was incredible. It mirrored our story.
And how did they know? Well, the FBI knew because when John Paul Mac Isaac had the laptop, got scared about material on it, called up the FBI, finally, they came December 2019 with a Subpoena and they seized it, as I said. So they knew that the laptop was there.
They were also spying on Rudy Giuliani, so they knew that it was going to happen. They would have intercepted a message from me, a couple of messages with Rudy Giuliani saying don't give the story to anyone else, we are interested. So, you know, they were ready for us. They knew this story might come out before the election and if it did, they had to be ready.
So, censoring our story sends a message to the rest of the media that this is a dirty story. This is a story that you don't want to touch with a 10- foot pole and maybe the rest of the media might have followed up if it hadn't been for the dirty 51 letter a few days later.
There were five former CIA directors or acting directors like John Brennan, Leon Panetta who put their imprimata on that, who signed that letter and that just killed our story. Stone dead. Because… if you're at the New York Times and you see that these people, who were very important and trusted senior CIA directors, if they have said it's Russian disinformation, then it must be and so we're not going to touch it with a 10- foot pole.
So, I kind of give them a bit of a pass, that they were incurious. It suited them not to follow the story. If it was Trump, they would have followed it come hell high water but… there was enough interference put in their way and it was a stressful enough time. They didn't want to be blamed again for Trump winning...
The greatest scandal is the collusion between big tech and big government
Winston: Having said that and as you said earlier in this conversation, of all of the scandals here, the greatest scandal is the collusion between big tech and big government, which, by the way, we have a word for that… in covering this story… or trying to kill the story.
Miranda: Yeah, well they were successful because that letter was used by Joe Biden in that last debate with Donald Trump and he got off the hook.
Winston: And it was so marginal, how much that election was won by, that had the American population known about this story it could very easily have…
Miranda: Well, polls showed that it was a few thousand votes in a handful of states. And there are polls that were done afterwards, that if Biden voters had known about the corruption that was exposed on the laptop, our stories… it just showed that Joe Biden had lied when he said he knew nothing about his son's overseas business dealings because there are emails there showing that he had met with Hunter's… business partner…
Winston: And he lied and he lied and he lied and he lied.
Miranda: And it would have damaged him. Even though we didn't know half of what we know now, it still would have hurt him because he would have come across as a liar. And those Biden voters said that they would have changed their vote and that would have been enough to alter the outcome of this very tight election.
Domestic election interference operation by the CIA and the FBI
Miranda: So, it worked. It was a domestic election interference operation by the CIA and the FBI. And it was the CIA because that letter was signed off by Gina Haspel who was then CIA director under Donald Trump…the dirty 51 had to submit that letter to the pre-publication review board of the CIA and the people who run that realised the political nature of it, that they needed to send it upstairs. They did that and it eventually found its way to Gina Haspel's desk. We know that because the Chief Operating Officer of the CIA, a guy called Andrew McReedus, had to testify behind closed doors to house investigators. He said he walked it across the corridor to Gina Haspel.
So that was approved by the CIA director and as well, we now find out they're not just retired CIA officials. They might be retired but they were actively on contract with the CIA. So I just call it a CIA op. And then the censoring of our story with big Tech was the FBI op.
Winston: Absolutely astonishing. Miranda Devine, congratulations on the launch of your book.
Miranda: Thank you.
Winston: I wish you great success with it. There's so many stories all in one. To bring it all together, it just shows great talent as a journalist. I really think this is one of the greatest journalistic pieces of work, certainly since the Twitter files… I wish you all the best with it. Congratulations… Thank you so much for taking the time to speak with me and to go through it.
I recommend to listeners that they get this book (The Big Guy) and I need to read this one, Laptop from Hell but… there's even more in this book, even more detail…it's utterly bewildering how big this story is and how few people know about it. Well done, congratulations.
Miranda: Thank you very much, Winston.
Laptop from Hell by Miranda Devine
Released 1 June 2022
The dirty secrets contained in Hunter’s laptop almost derailed his father’s presidential campaign and ignited one of the greatest media coverups in American history.
Germany: Criminal Complaint against CIA Director Gina Haspel
ECCHR European Center for Constitutional and Human Rights
USA – Torture – Gina Haspel
In late 2002 Gina Haspel (pictured) was appointed Chief of Base of the CIA secret prison in Thailand known as “Cat’s Eye.” During this time she oversaw the torture of al-Nashiri and potentially also of other detainees. While at the Cat’s Eye prison, al-Nashiri was subjected to a program of “enhanced interrogation” which included waterboarding and other forms of torture.
President Trump's February 2017 decision to appoint Gina Haspel to serve as CIA Deputy Director led to new information coming to light about her involvement in the CIA's torture program. This related to her role in overseeing a secret prison in Thailand, including during a period in which at least one detainee, Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, was subjected to torture, and her subsequent role in destroying video evidence of CIA torture.
ECCHR filed the dossier on Gina Haspel to ensure that she is included in the German Federal Public Prosecutor's consideration of the criminal responsibility borne by several individuals for the US torture program.
ECCHR is calling for an investigation into the US torture program as a whole and in particular into the members of the administration, the CIA and the military who bear responsibility for the program – including former Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and former CIA Director George Tenet.
There are no prospects of investigations in the United States. This is why ECCHR uses the principle of universal jurisdiction in Germany and filed a criminal complaint with the German Federal Public Prosecutor (Generalbundesanwalt) calling for investigations into Haspel’s role in the torture of detainees in Thailand in 2002.
Source: ECCHR website
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